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  Channelname:     The Common Wealth Alliance
  Listener:        Ibeau Renoir
  Session started: 2004.08.08 21:06:10

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[ 2004.08.08 23:02:14 ] Hung Odonkey > i think i still need grantable rights and roles
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:35 ] Ibeau Renoir > /emote notices JJ and Hung have created yet another corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:35 ] ScoRpS > like which ones?
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:35 ] Hung Odonkey > director lvl
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:38 ] Hung Odonkey > pretty much everything
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:42 ] Ibeau Renoir > bloody lag
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:43 ] jumbojohnny > ok
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:47 ] jumbojohnny > i will in a little bit
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:52 ] jumbojohnny > no, this is my first one
[ 2004.08.08 23:03:52 ] Hung Odonkey > k
[ 2004.08.08 23:04:26 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes but it's yet another tiny corp created by people wanting more power intcwa
[ 2004.08.08 23:04:37 ] Hung Odonkey > np
[ 2004.08.08 23:04:56 ] Ibeau Renoir > this is a bad trend imo
[ 2004.08.08 23:05:19 ] Hung Odonkey > we did this to help restructure our life in eve
[ 2004.08.08 23:05:36 ] Hung Odonkey > basically we feel we have more to offer this way
[ 2004.08.08 23:05:50 ] Hung Odonkey > if it doesn't work then rejoin main corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:05:53 ] Benzmann > i am going to try out a large smart bomb
[ 2004.08.08 23:05:53 ] jumbojohnny > im about to get another member hung
[ 2004.08.08 23:06:00 ] jumbojohnny > hes got mining 5 and refining 5
[ 2004.08.08 23:06:13 ] Hung Odonkey > but for now main corp is not being all that it can be
[ 2004.08.08 23:06:17 ] Hung Odonkey > cool
[ 2004.08.08 23:06:50 ] Ibeau Renoir > tbh I agree, tcw and ser are stagnating
[ 2004.08.08 23:06:54 ] Ibeau Renoir > we need fresh blood
[ 2004.08.08 23:07:12 ] Benzmann > i got plenty of fresh blood in my corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:07:15 ] jumbojohnny > and we need to throw away old but they didnt fast enough
[ 2004.08.08 23:07:18 ] Hung Odonkey > exactly, so we are setting up corp with specific goals in mind
[ 2004.08.08 23:07:20 ] Ibeau Renoir > and I don't mean in the form of frozen corpses of ca :)
[ 2004.08.08 23:07:51 ] Piscis > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:08:08 ] Hung Odonkey > JJ and me want to mine, build and produce, fighting is a secondary concern
[ 2004.08.08 23:08:19 ] ScoRpS > well we have seen it b4 many times even with best of intentions, but truth is seperation is never easy
[ 2004.08.08 23:08:43 ] Piscis > plus we already have a construction corp - the guild
[ 2004.08.08 23:08:51 ] Ibeau Renoir > eh?
[ 2004.08.08 23:08:57 ] ScoRpS > wat lind of goals have u set?
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:02 ] Hung Odonkey > its not really a separation but it should open peoples eyes that our corps are not performing well
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:02 ] ScoRpS > kind#
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:08 ] Ibeau Renoir > I thought that was a division rather than a corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:08 ] Piscis > you should try to strengthen their efforts, rather than compete for resources
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:21 ] Benzmann > my corp is a military corp and guild corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:22 ] Hung Odonkey > what guild i have never seen or heard from it
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:24 ] Piscis > same difference really
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:31 ] Benzmann > we got all kinds of players here
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:57 ] Ibeau Renoir > BJ, you are the only UWS member I have ever seenyou need to get your other members in
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:57 ] ScoRpS > thats not a very good way of protesting lol infact its not even a protest...its like a good bye but we can still be freinds
[ 2004.08.08 23:09:59 ] Ibeau Renoir > this channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:04 ] Ibeau Renoir > argh
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:22 ] Hung Odonkey > to be honest i spend most of my game time mining and hunting for myself
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:24 ] ScoRpS > maybe be able to use a sub corp tho
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:27 ] Ibeau Renoir > newline got sent in the wrong place :(
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:44 ] Hung Odonkey > when i first joined we were very active together
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:46 ] jumbojohnny > i think SER will fall apart personally
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:56 ] jumbojohnny > BOB and FS are only ones doing anything
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:58 ] jumbojohnny > DD is just there
[ 2004.08.08 23:10:58 ] Hung Odonkey > now i hardly see anybody and i am on most of the time
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:04 ] Ibeau Renoir > the directors aren't on enough
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:27 ] Ibeau Renoir > scorps, I think rod and I should be made directors
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:31 ] Hung Odonkey > are leaders aren't particpating so we are slowly falling apart
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:31 ] ScoRpS > they all have too much goin on but i just get on with watever i can
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:39 ] Ibeau Renoir > then we should have a big recruitment drive
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:47 ] ScoRpS > i would love that ibs
[ 2004.08.08 23:11:55 ] jumbojohnny > we should restructer no recruit
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:05 ] ScoRpS > i feel kinda silly granting roles and stuff
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:11 ] Hung Odonkey > we're to small to have so many broad goals
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:18 ] Piscis > we tried that ir, but all that happens is we get swamped with n00bsm who don't have a clue, and then we all give them shit, they get tired of being in a corp of n00bs and all leave, with our stuff
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:22 ] Hung Odonkey > we need to focus and then grow
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:31 ] Piscis > and we end up back where we started, minus a lot of time and effort
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:34 ] Ibeau Renoir > well then we don't recruit noobs
[ 2004.08.08 23:12:42 ] ScoRpS > piscis: i agree totaly
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:10 ] Piscis > and why would non n00bs want to join this corp?
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:22 ] jumbojohnny > exactly piscis
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:30 ] ScoRpS > we dont really do much
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:35 ] Hung Odonkey > look folks if you guys really want your corps to get ahead you have to sit down and figure out what you want to do and then set EVERYTHING  up to get to that goal
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:45 ] ScoRpS > although new doors will be opening
[ 2004.08.08 23:13:50 ] Piscis > Donkey, I tried
[ 2004.08.08 23:14:10 ] Piscis > I setup training arenas, I set up weapon and equipment caches. I spent a lot of my own time, and about 3 people showed up.
[ 2004.08.08 23:14:40 ] Ibeau Renoir > imo tcw should be divided strictly along role lines, not according to who wants power
[ 2004.08.08 23:14:54 ] Hung Odonkey > but what for
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:11 ] Hung Odonkey > i never saw any use for the stuff you setup personally
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:23 ] Hung Odonkey > i went and visited once but thats it
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:37 ] Piscis > you never saw the use for unified hangers, that allowed everyone from every corp access to equipment
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:37 ] Hung Odonkey > if you do something like that we all should do it not just 1 person
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:51 ] Hung Odonkey > did anybody use it?
[ 2004.08.08 23:15:55 ] Piscis > Donkey - the idea was that everyone WOULD use it
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:02 ] Piscis > but no one was putting equipment in
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:05 ] Piscis > cept me
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:15 ] Piscis > I personally spent like 10-15 million on equipment and skills
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:18 ] Piscis > most of it is gone now
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:23 ] Piscis > no one replaced anything
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:39 ] ScoRpS > even i only went once
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:41 ] Piscis > as for the training arena, the one really succesful training session we had was really good down in 0,0
[ 2004.08.08 23:16:47 ] Hung Odonkey > but WHY didn't they use it?
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:00 ] Piscis > I don't know. 
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:07 ] Piscis > guess they just didn't put the effort it
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:07 ] Hung Odonkey > ask then
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:15 ] jumbojohnny > i tried to fix prob by getting FS to disband SER and start new corp with only the active members
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:18 ] Hung Odonkey > i didn't find it useful
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:18 ] jumbojohnny > but he owuldnt do
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:22 ] Ibeau Renoir > the trouble for me was it was far away from my usual haunts
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:23 ] jumbojohnny > he didnt do anything
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:34 ] Ibeau Renoir > so it was a hassle to go and get anything
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:36 ] Piscis > It was Goddess Gab a lot, he said that he would stock it with weapons and ammo and stuff
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:53 ] Piscis > the point was that we were all meant to move into the aeschee system
[ 2004.08.08 23:17:56 ] Piscis > but no one did
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:02 ] Piscis > sorry, about three people did
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:17 ] ScoRpS > i had a problem with that plan piscis, the take aeschee one
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:21 ] Hung Odonkey > exactly what we need are several places that we all work out of, they have to be Corp directives
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:23 ] ScoRpS > still do
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:26 ] Piscis > what was the problem?
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:34 ] ScoRpS > 0.3 system
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:44 ] Piscis > right, the problem being?
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > around Christmas, we were going to move to Perdan cos it was close to Querious... that never happened
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:47 ] jumbojohnny > like me and hung have gotten all thje miners to move to atreen
[ 2004.08.08 23:18:55 ] ScoRpS > always have to wait to be hit b4 u can retaliate without losing status
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:12 ] ScoRpS > gate camps are useless
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:30 ] ScoRpS > useless all the way
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:34 ] Ibeau Renoir > you can't really take a system in empire space for that very reason
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:37 ] Piscis > I see what you're saying
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:45 ] Hung Odonkey > for ex. i have 2 mining grounds that we will be mining on a regular basis
[ 2004.08.08 23:19:46 ] Ibeau Renoir > they are already policed by concord
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:04 ] ScoRpS > 0.4 to 0.1 are not policed
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:07 ] Ibeau Renoir > (even if not very well)
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:07 ] Piscis > but we were never meant to 'take' it. Just live there for a while for mining ops etc, and then use it as a stepping stone out to 0.0
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:09 ] ScoRpS > u just lose staus
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:19 ] Ibeau Renoir > that's really crap scorps
[ 2004.08.08 23:20:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > all empire space should be policed by concord, even if it takes a long time for them to reach it
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:03 ] Piscis > I don't agree with that
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:16 ] Benzmann > /emote love smart bombs
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:23 ] Hung Odonkey > its nice to know i can still spark a fascinating discussion
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:23 ] Piscis > 0.4 and below is meant to be dangerous
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:47 ] ScoRpS > yea and thats fine if u dont mind gettin ur hands dirty
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:52 ] Piscis > but the point was that we were supposed to move in, to practice group mining ops, to practice working in a group, to centralise resources, all ready to move out into 0.0
[ 2004.08.08 23:21:57 ] ScoRpS > but i do
[ 2004.08.08 23:22:25 ] ScoRpS > i tried with rod and a pirate arrived and noobed me
[ 2004.08.08 23:22:27 ] Piscis > what do you mean by 'getting hands dirty' and why do you mind doing it?
[ 2004.08.08 23:22:41 ] ScoRpS > i ended up paying 20mil to save ship
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:04 ] ScoRpS > i want a positive rating not negative
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:24 ] Ibeau Renoir > if u get too negative you can't police any more
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:25 ] Piscis > yeah, I remember that, you didn't even ask for help, even though there were like 3-4 people still in system
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:34 ] ScoRpS > if i didnt mind negative i would open fire on anyone in 0.1-0.4
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:37 ] Piscis > no one ever said anything about shooting the pirates before they shot you
[ 2004.08.08 23:23:50 ] Piscis > the whole point was that it was team work. Protecting and acting defensively
[ 2004.08.08 23:24:26 ] ScoRpS > ok point taken
[ 2004.08.08 23:24:42 ] Benzmann > gn all
[ 2004.08.08 23:24:46 ] Ibeau Renoir > nn BJ
[ 2004.08.08 23:24:48 ] Piscis > but people took it the wrong way, and tried to be vigilanties, and got themselves shot to hell
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:05 ] ScoRpS > gn ben
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:21 ] <- Benzmann has left the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:21 ] Piscis > I agree that the time you got ransomed should have been avoided, for a number of reasons, but if you don't want to get shot at, you truely are a carebear and shouldn't leave 1.0 space
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:41 ] ScoRpS > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:48 ] ScoRpS > i was ready piscis
[ 2004.08.08 23:25:54 ] ScoRpS > in position
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:05 ] ScoRpS > still got noobed
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:25 ] ScoRpS > megathron vs raven, u know where that goes
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:41 ] Piscis > then when I tried to setup training sessions, you all know what happened then. Not a lot.
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:52 ] ScoRpS > yup
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:53 ] Ibeau Renoir > defenders in rocket launcher, mwd to close range and blast away?
[ 2004.08.08 23:26:58 ] ScoRpS > no one showed
[ 2004.08.08 23:27:02 ] Piscis > although I would like to try my current setup against ph, could be interesting
[ 2004.08.08 23:27:35 ] Piscis > no, two large armour reps, and 6 425 with am, level 4 battleship and level 4 large hybrid, level 5 surgical strike
[ 2004.08.08 23:27:43 ] Piscis > and enough cap mods/ skill to keep the whole lot running :)
[ 2004.08.08 23:27:49 ] Piscis > oh, and a armour hardner
[ 2004.08.08 23:27:54 ] Piscis > *an armour hardner
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:08 ] <- Hung Odonkey has left the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:12 ] ScoRpS > ray and ibs were away at uni, u werent on much piscis, clothos and pk almost stopped playing outright, as it stood i had no one to play with 
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:28 ] Piscis > ...
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:35 ] Piscis > I've been busy that last month or two
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:45 ] Ibeau Renoir > you were still in fleet at that time scorps...
[ 2004.08.08 23:28:56 ] ScoRpS > i'm not blaming ppl for wat real life does to them at all
[ 2004.08.08 23:29:26 ] Piscis > sorry, I didn't mean to imply thats what you were blaming me, it was just a sidenote type thing
[ 2004.08.08 23:29:28 ] ScoRpS > i do understand but u cant organise wat doesnt exist
[ 2004.08.08 23:29:34 ] jumbojohnny > does anyone get that bug where there chat window wont stop changing sizes
[ 2004.08.08 23:29:43 ] Dundee > I think in a month that everyone will be on more
[ 2004.08.08 23:29:57 ] Piscis > yes jj, I get that
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:00 ] Piscis > not for a while though
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:11 ] ScoRpS > optical mouse?
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:13 ] jumbojohnny > it pisses me off so much
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:15 ] jumbojohnny > yea
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:28 ] Ibeau Renoir > tbh I think we need new CEOs, I don't think pk & fs are on often enough
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:29 ] jumbojohnny > i mean it is the most aqnnoying thing ive ever seen on this game
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:35 ] ScoRpS > buy a new computer
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:41 ] ScoRpS > keep the mouse
[ 2004.08.08 23:30:49 ] Piscis > lol.
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:00 ] Piscis > It's not the computer thats the problem, it's his whole house and area.
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:00 ] jumbojohnny > well, they wont give up leadership i dont think
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:11 ] ScoRpS > pk will
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:11 ] Piscis > 1) Demolish the house.
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:16 ] Piscis > 2) sell the computer
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:17 ] jumbojohnny > stop!
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:24 ] ScoRpS > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:26 ] Ibeau Renoir > hehe piscis
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:27 ] Piscis > 3) set of a nuclear device
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:34 ] Piscis > 4) move into new house
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:39 ] Piscis > 5) blow that one up, just to be sure
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:39 ] Dundee > here in the states school starts back summer almost over and peeps will have more time free
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:46 ] jumbojohnny > 6) sell children in 3rd world country
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:46 ] Piscis > 6) buy new computer, and reinstall eve
[ 2004.08.08 23:31:57 ] Piscis > lol#]
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:08 ] Ibeau Renoir > 7) get arrested for mass murder and crimes against humanity
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:11 ] Piscis > 7) use money from children sale to buy new computer
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:32 ] ScoRpS > i want to see u guys take control and see how it goes
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:37 ] jumbojohnny > ok, well if you want pk or FS to give up ceo ship you have to:
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:44 ] jumbojohnny > a) buy shares and vote them out
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:50 ] jumbojohnny > or
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:53 ] Ibeau Renoir > well we have shares already
[ 2004.08.08 23:32:58 ] jumbojohnny > b) start new corp in wich you are more active in
[ 2004.08.08 23:33:07 ] Piscis > it's easy enough to say that they should give us CEOship, but It's not an easy job
[ 2004.08.08 23:33:16 ] ScoRpS > thats right
[ 2004.08.08 23:33:24 ] jumbojohnny > its not, but they wont give it up i dont think
[ 2004.08.08 23:33:24 ] -> Hung Odonkey has joined the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:33:48 ] ScoRpS > i dont think i am remotley good enough to be a ceo
[ 2004.08.08 23:34:05 ] <- jumbojohnny has left the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:34:38 ] Ibeau Renoir > I would be willing to let pk continue as de facto ceo, just with someone more active as technical ceo who can do the actual running of the corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:34:44 ] ScoRpS > i also think pk could do more but also know he is goin through a hard time right now
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:06 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes scorps
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:07 ] -> jumbojohnny has joined the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:11 ] jumbojohnny > sry about that
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:18 ] jumbojohnny > chat window jumoped off screen
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:23 ] jumbojohnny > couldnt see anything
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:43 ] ScoRpS > wat can we do to improve things?
[ 2004.08.08 23:35:59 ] ScoRpS > if u say mining i'll scream
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:07 ] jumbojohnny > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:07 ] Hung Odonkey > do you want to know
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:17 ] Hung Odonkey > i can tell you what to do
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:26 ] ScoRpS > b4 u do hung
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:31 ] jumbojohnny > i told FS to disband SER and start new corp with only the active members
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:38 ] Hung Odonkey > and no this is not an attempt to take over just advice
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:44 ] jumbojohnny > that would fix everything because he could focus on what to do
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:44 ] ScoRpS > consider this, we have all got our independent regimes
[ 2004.08.08 23:36:57 ] ScoRpS > including u
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:14 ] jumbojohnny > our corps kind of merged into a buncha of friendly people following each other around
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:23 ] jumbojohnny > no actual money making process
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:28 ] Hung Odonkey > i don't want to take over, i just want to do what i like to do to benefit the corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:31 ] ScoRpS > no one follows me jj
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:37 ] Hung Odonkey > and thats mine
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:50 ] jumbojohnny > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:50 ] Hung Odonkey > my question to you scorps is what do youj like to do
[ 2004.08.08 23:37:50 ] Piscis > I think that what we need to do is full on merge witih one of the larger corps in ba or ssa or something
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:02 ] jumbojohnny > i mean we kind just becam a group and not a corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:09 ] Ibeau Renoir > you have always been somewhat aloof scorps, you did start with tcwa as a separate corp after all
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:36 ] ScoRpS > i was stranded alone ibs
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:41 ] ScoRpS > it was a 2 man corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:49 ] Ibeau Renoir > well fair enough
[ 2004.08.08 23:38:58 ] ScoRpS > u guys were my only freinds
[ 2004.08.08 23:39:17 ] jumbojohnny > i dont think a full on merge would a) reorganize or b) benefit us financially
[ 2004.08.08 23:39:24 ] jumbojohnny > i love this alliance
[ 2004.08.08 23:39:36 ] jumbojohnny > you guys are all my bestest friends eber
[ 2004.08.08 23:39:43 ] Hung Odonkey > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:39:48 ] ScoRpS > hung i like to kill and find treasure 
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:02 ] Hung Odonkey > but you needs ships don't you
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:02 ] Ibeau Renoir > tbh I'm not convinced our alliance of small corps is a good idea
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:13 ] Ibeau Renoir > it makes it hard to share resources
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:23 ] jumbojohnny > well heres mine and hungs ideea for our corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:26 ] Ibeau Renoir > it would be better if we were all together in one corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:33 ] ScoRpS > thats a big issue in ssa senate meetings
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:38 ] Ibeau Renoir > with senior members given roles as appropriate
[ 2004.08.08 23:40:54 ] jumbojohnny > we will get a base mining team to build corp isk and min deposit
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:00 ] jumbojohnny > and give people best roles suited for them
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:04 ] ScoRpS > aaarrrrggghhhh
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:11 ] ScoRpS > he sadi the m word
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:19 ] Hung Odonkey > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:26 ] jumbojohnny > then will isk and mins we will assemmble attack force like what scorps want
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:29 ] Ibeau Renoir > /emote grins
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:29 ] Hung Odonkey > mine mine mine mine muahhhhahahahahah
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:38 ] jumbojohnny > like scorp, you cant mine, you suck! but you can fight
[ 2004.08.08 23:41:57 ] Hung Odonkey > yeah miners rock
[ 2004.08.08 23:42:23 ] ScoRpS > in the near future (Hopefully with shiva) i would like to take on ppl to help with lvl4 missions
[ 2004.08.08 23:42:34 ] Ibeau Renoir > we should manufacture ships and large weapons and sell them
[ 2004.08.08 23:42:44 ] ScoRpS > it will be a good thing to do i think
[ 2004.08.08 23:42:50 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes that is another idea
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:15 ] Hung Odonkey > may i have the floor
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:16 ] jumbojohnny > well scorps, until we can get everyone out to a base in 00 thats exactly what strike force would do
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:18 ] ScoRpS > yea afraid its my only one tho :/
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:22 ] jumbojohnny > and we would all be 1 corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:52 ] <- Piscis has left the channel
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:52 ] jumbojohnny > self producing, rich, part of a great alliance but still have corp identity and effiency
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:55 ] Hung Odonkey > we all have wonderful ideas and goals but we need acentral group of reliable leaers to 
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:57 ] ScoRpS > go ahead hung
[ 2004.08.08 23:43:57 ] jumbojohnny > yes hung, go ahead
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:10 ] Hung Odonkey > help us spell
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:11 ] ScoRpS > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:19 ] Hung Odonkey > sorry
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:37 ] Ibeau Renoir > hehe
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:39 ] Hung Odonkey > anywit we need to sit down and figure out what we want to do
[ 2004.08.08 23:44:58 ] jumbojohnny > i kno exactly what i want to do and im doing it
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:01 ] Hung Odonkey > and we have to really make an effort to work together to achieve these goals
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:03 ] jumbojohnny > right now as we speak
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:10 ] Hung Odonkey > right jj 
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:13 ] Hung Odonkey > but
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:15 ] ScoRpS > pk will make ur ears bleed if u ask him that
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:28 ] ScoRpS > he has some inspiring ideas
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:28 ] jumbojohnny > lol
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:38 ] Ibeau Renoir > what ideas are these?
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:41 ] jumbojohnny > ideas is key word
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > I would like to hear them
[ 2004.08.08 23:45:52 ] jumbojohnny > never took action like hung and i did
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:25 ] ScoRpS > obtaining our own station, bs bpo's, training modules and quite a few more
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:45 ] ScoRpS > point is he can commit enough time to organise it
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:46 ] jumbojohnny > niice
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:49 ] jumbojohnny > BUT
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:52 ] ScoRpS > can? cant
[ 2004.08.08 23:46:59 ] jumbojohnny > we arnt doing anything to even try and achieve this
[ 2004.08.08 23:47:08 ] jumbojohnny > well i am 
[ 2004.08.08 23:47:15 ] jumbojohnny > and i kno it will be a while but im patient
[ 2004.08.08 23:48:18 ] ScoRpS > we been corp mining every thursday for ages and to be honest we havent seen any benefits, well atleast none that reflect the effort put in
[ 2004.08.08 23:48:38 ] ScoRpS > out here in 0.0 that changes
[ 2004.08.08 23:48:52 ] jumbojohnny > well here my thing, ive already decided what i am going to do. and im doing it
[ 2004.08.08 23:49:40 ] jumbojohnny > they shouldve tried to move simultaniously and stopped recruiting for a bit
[ 2004.08.08 23:50:05 ] jumbojohnny > instead of ceo out in 00 with some other guy and a noob sittin in empire doing nothing
[ 2004.08.08 23:50:11 ] jumbojohnny > thats not doing anything for cor
[ 2004.08.08 23:50:14 ] jumbojohnny > corp*
[ 2004.08.08 23:50:19 ] jumbojohnny > but thats how Ser was setup
[ 2004.08.08 23:50:51 ] ScoRpS > thats not fair jj as fs tries very hard to look after u guys
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:02 ] Hung Odonkey > no but its true
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:05 ] jumbojohnny > im not saying FS is bad CEO scorps
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:14 ] Hung Odonkey > fair has nothing to do with it
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:19 ] ScoRpS > so much so that even all the isk he makes here, he ploughs right back into corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:34 ] jumbojohnny > thats what i have been doing with my corp
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:43 ] jumbojohnny > but FS still had no system
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:48 ] jumbojohnny > he was nice andd helpful
[ 2004.08.08 23:51:53 ] jumbojohnny > and a good ceo
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:21 ] jumbojohnny > i will say that he wouldnt accept advice tho
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:26 ] ScoRpS > he has been screwed by many players
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:38 ] ScoRpS > more than u know probably
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:44 ] jumbojohnny > godess gabriel and what not
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:51 ] ScoRpS > b4 that even
[ 2004.08.08 23:52:57 ] ScoRpS > it happens
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:12 ] jumbojohnny > yes i kno, and it will happen to me probably at 1 point to
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:12 ] ScoRpS > thing is how do u seperate good from bad
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:22 ] Hung Odonkey > time
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:27 ] Hung Odonkey > thats the only factor
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:32 ] Hung Odonkey > time tells all
[ 2004.08.08 23:53:40 ] ScoRpS > the only ppl that have stayed in any single corp for a long time are always independant
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:06 ] ScoRpS > team work should work but in practice doesnt
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:20 ] Hung Odonkey > its just not organized right
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:23 ] jumbojohnny > it depends on how much you pressure people
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:32 ] jumbojohnny > if you say i only need you to help this one day
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:36 ] ScoRpS > look around hung and u will see i am right
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:38 ] jumbojohnny > and you can keep your isk the rest of days
[ 2004.08.08 23:54:40 ] jumbojohnny > they will do it
[ 2004.08.08 23:55:05 ] ScoRpS > if i relied on tcw for support i would have left ages ago
[ 2004.08.08 23:55:08 ] Ibeau Renoir > I am not independent, though that is probably because I am too lazy not to be
[ 2004.08.08 23:55:35 ] jumbojohnny > exactly scorps
[ 2004.08.08 23:55:53 ] jumbojohnny > thats a problem, you shoulld be able to rely on corp if you help them get going
[ 2004.08.08 23:56:00 ] Hung Odonkey > but you can't just say for 1 day you have to have constant leadership, somebody has to be there to pay attention
[ 2004.08.08 23:56:01 ] Ibeau Renoir > I feel like I've not done much for the corp lately (since mining for my own BS) and that is largely because I've had no-one to play with
[ 2004.08.08 23:56:18 ] jumbojohnny > ok, big state
[ 2004.08.08 23:56:26 ] jumbojohnny > big statement*
[ 2004.08.08 23:56:57 ] jumbojohnny > a corp can accomplish almost anything, if it keeps leadership and stays organized
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:02 ] jumbojohnny > and we havnt done that
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:25 ] ScoRpS > not true
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:31 ] jumbojohnny > FS is struggling to keep SER alive, he is a good ceo, but there are ways to fix the problem that he wont try
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:37 ] ScoRpS > we havent maintained it
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:45 ] jumbojohnny > there will be varaibles like godess gabrial
[ 2004.08.08 23:57:55 ] Ibeau Renoir > we were organised, once
[ 2004.08.08 23:58:18 ] ScoRpS > yup
[ 2004.08.08 23:58:21 ] jumbojohnny > not organization scorps. you dont do corp activities. you dont all ahng out in same place, you dont actualkly have a goal the "to beat CA"
[ 2004.08.08 23:58:29 ] jumbojohnny > niether does SER
[ 2004.08.08 23:58:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > then real life issues started screwing us up
[ 2004.08.08 23:58:54 ] ScoRpS > do u think ca is a tight knit well organised group?
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:01 ] jumbojohnny > no
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:13 ] Hung Odonkey > thats unavoidable real-life takes presedence over this game
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:15 ] ScoRpS > thats right they are just real ppl
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:17 ] jumbojohnny > but are they managing to keep all the space they control
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:19 ] ScoRpS > like us
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:26 ] ScoRpS > they dont
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:26 ] jumbojohnny > arnt you podding them all the time like they are you
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:38 ] ScoRpS > all they do is patraol 0.0 gates
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:47 ] Hung Odonkey > what we need is enough leadership to make sure we never have this problem
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:53 ] ScoRpS > in hope of a fight
[ 2004.08.08 23:59:54 ] jumbojohnny > real life always comes first but we can do better then this
[ 2004.08.09 00:00:16 ] Hung Odonkey > ok ok one moment
[ 2004.08.09 00:00:34 ] Hung Odonkey > we have a solid core of peeps here would you all agree
[ 2004.08.09 00:00:38 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:00:49 ] Hung Odonkey > ok WE are the leadershipo
[ 2004.08.09 00:00:52 ] jumbojohnny > yea, we are a group of online-friends
[ 2004.08.09 00:01:24 ] Hung Odonkey > say at this point we all get honorary promo.to say director lvl
[ 2004.08.09 00:01:38 ] jumbojohnny > ok...
[ 2004.08.09 00:01:45 ] Hung Odonkey > and then we start looking for common interest within us all
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:05 ] Hung Odonkey > and then we build on that
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:11 ] Hung Odonkey > for ex. jj and me
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:13 ] Hung Odonkey > we mine
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:18 ] Hung Odonkey > we buid
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:27 ] Hung Odonkey > we make stuff for the alliance and copr
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:40 ] Hung Odonkey > we focus on buildin on that
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:45 ] Hung Odonkey > nobody else
[ 2004.08.09 00:02:59 ] Hung Odonkey > but if you guys see somebody or want to participate say you come to us
[ 2004.08.09 00:03:21 ] Hung Odonkey > and JJ and I as the solid core are strenghted
[ 2004.08.09 00:03:50 ] Hung Odonkey > if we each do this we will start to see some fruites to aour labor
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:07 ] ScoRpS > old hat hung
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:12 ] Hung Odonkey > and maybe some better spelling
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:17 ] ScoRpS > we been there b4
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:25 ] Ibeau Renoir > that is what pk originally intended with the division into guild and rangers
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:37 ] jumbojohnny > ok, how about this then guys
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:38 ] ScoRpS > thats how the guild was formed
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:39 ] Ibeau Renoir > you 2 plus clothos, rod etc would be the guild
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:54 ] Ibeau Renoir > scorps, me and all the other combat peeps would be rangers
[ 2004.08.09 00:04:56 ] Hung Odonkey > okay thats good
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:13 ] ScoRpS > guild fell apart
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:37 ] Hung Odonkey > right because leadership disappeared and wasn't replaced
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:41 ] Hung Odonkey > thats its
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:44 ] jumbojohnny > thats basicly what are corp will be and with it we can also make a ranger force as well
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > clothos set up a tcw guild channel for communication but nobody used it
[ 2004.08.09 00:05:52 ] Hung Odonkey > old hat works Scorps:)
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:11 ] Hung Odonkey > it just needs redefined
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:15 ] ScoRpS > if it fits
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:30 ] jumbojohnny > if you dont like this we could always just continue to do what we are doing now and whoever has the most money in the end comes out on top and everyone comes to his corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:33 ] Ibeau Renoir > I firmly believe that a) directors and especially b) the CEO need to be regular players, and by regular I mean every day for at least an hour
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:43 ] Ibeau Renoir > that has simply not been the case lately
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:51 ] jumbojohnny > i can do that even when school starts back up
[ 2004.08.09 00:06:54 ] Ibeau Renoir > and thus organisation has suffered
[ 2004.08.09 00:07:29 ] Hung Odonkey > actually IB that might push it after all this is a game
[ 2004.08.09 00:07:35 ] ScoRpS > ok ibs i agree hence i would love for u and rod to try
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:11 ] ScoRpS > its worth a shot
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:12 ] Ibeau Renoir > well people need to take time away every so often, but higher management absolutely needs to be a constant presence
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:21 ] Hung Odonkey > ture
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:24 ] jumbojohnny > we can find some way too do this without sacrificing my corp right because ive put all the isk i had and am making into it really
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:29 ] Ibeau Renoir > and so we need multiple directors
[ 2004.08.09 00:08:52 ] jumbojohnny > well i can be on alost everyday for an hour or more
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:07 ] jumbojohnny > after school starts, until them im on 14 hours a day
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:13 ] Hung Odonkey > i am on everyday for lots of hours:)
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:13 ] jumbojohnny > then*
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:37 ] jumbojohnny > i suppose i should be going to the mall with frinds and trying to get dates so my social skills can develop
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:45 ] jumbojohnny > but i can fly a spaceship doing that
[ 2004.08.09 00:09:49 ] Ibeau Renoir > I can be on regularly even after I go to uni (though the internet connection situation is unknown as yet)
[ 2004.08.09 00:10:08 ] ScoRpS > wat do guys actually want to achieve?
[ 2004.08.09 00:10:27 ] jumbojohnny > me and hung?
[ 2004.08.09 00:10:32 ] ScoRpS > yea]
[ 2004.08.09 00:10:59 ] jumbojohnny > i want to destroy concord and take over eve even if i haf to go to the ccp building with a gun. but hung has some more realistic idedas
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:09 ] ScoRpS > :)
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:13 ] Hung Odonkey > why power and women of course:)
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:23 ] Hung Odonkey > ok
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:24 ] ScoRpS > lol
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:27 ] jumbojohnny > first we assemble a (m-word) team to manufacture and what not
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:43 ] Ibeau Renoir > mining doesn't just involve guild folks
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:58 ] Ibeau Renoir > as I see it mining is like washing up, its a chore that needs to be done
[ 2004.08.09 00:11:58 ] jumbojohnny > then, after we have consisitant isk a nd minerla income, i will start a ranger force
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:13 ] Hung Odonkey > for you it is
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:16 ] Ibeau Renoir > and to be fair everyone needs to do it
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:19 ] jumbojohnny > and hung will continue to runmining things
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:28 ] Hung Odonkey > its my bread and butter
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:28 ] jumbojohnny > run mining*
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:34 ] Hung Odonkey > i enjoy it
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:36 ] jumbojohnny > not true ib
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:40 ] jumbojohnny > some people enjoy it
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:52 ] Ibeau Renoir > good for them
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:53 ] jumbojohnny > i dont, but i will haul and waht not until corp gets going
[ 2004.08.09 00:12:56 ] Hung Odonkey > going out to 0.0 freaks me oujt
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:01 ] Ibeau Renoir > they can be our major source of minerals
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:07 ] Ibeau Renoir > *NOT* cash
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:08 ] jumbojohnny > afterwards if you have a consistant mining team not everyone has to do it
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:24 ] jumbojohnny > i will have a ranger force to
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:28 ] Ibeau Renoir > we should make money by selling manufactured goods
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:32 ] ScoRpS > so i understand, u two want to simply make sfae isk?
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:37 ] jumbojohnny > ib
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:41 ] ScoRpS > safe isk
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:48 ] Hung Odonkey > pretty much for now
[ 2004.08.09 00:13:54 ] jumbojohnny > i have industry skills up and am training science ones to work with my lab
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:01 ] Hung Odonkey > i'm happy doin gthis
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:12 ] jumbojohnny > we will be slow getting started but its easily handles
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:15 ] jumbojohnny > handled*
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:30 ] ScoRpS > we were discussing a thing the other day which meant starting a new persons corp so recruites dont get dragged into wars
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:54 ] Hung Odonkey > yay our point is seen
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:54 ] ScoRpS > a safe haven to nurture ppl
[ 2004.08.09 00:14:58 ] jumbojohnny > nah, no point in that. a new person isnt going out to 00
[ 2004.08.09 00:15:07 ] jumbojohnny > to fight CA
[ 2004.08.09 00:15:26 ] Hung Odonkey > we could be the new person's corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:15:29 ] ScoRpS > pk was gonna train an alt to start it up
[ 2004.08.09 00:15:54 ] jumbojohnny > i dont see the point in making one
[ 2004.08.09 00:15:54 ] ScoRpS > but i'm sure he would like to be relived of some responsiblities
[ 2004.08.09 00:16:27 ] Hung Odonkey > we can train people and prep them 
[ 2004.08.09 00:16:43 ] Hung Odonkey > and if their happy with us we have another producer
[ 2004.08.09 00:16:43 ] jumbojohnny > yes, but why would you need a while new corp for it
[ 2004.08.09 00:17:05 ] Hung Odonkey > otherwise we ship them off to the front to die alot
[ 2004.08.09 00:17:08 ] jumbojohnny > personally i dont want a beginner, i want someone who enjoys mining and will do it until eve server shuts down
[ 2004.08.09 00:17:10 ] ScoRpS > we are currently goint to war jj and to ensure players like u and hung dont become cannon fodder we needed a mechanism to ensure ppl in tcwa not ready to fight dont have to
[ 2004.08.09 00:17:36 ] jumbojohnny > how come we would get killed? we arnt going to front lines to get killed
[ 2004.08.09 00:17:51 ] jumbojohnny > we are just mining. if they want concord to kill there bs for my moa so be it
[ 2004.08.09 00:18:20 ] ScoRpS > if a war is declared just being in the corp makes u a target in wats basically an open hunt
[ 2004.08.09 00:18:36 ] Ibeau Renoir > good point scorps
[ 2004.08.09 00:18:45 ] ScoRpS > a sub corp would evade that
[ 2004.08.09 00:18:51 ] Hung Odonkey > but jj we need zydrine, mega and morphite
[ 2004.08.09 00:19:13 ] jumbojohnny > yea, but we would need bs protection for that anyways hung
[ 2004.08.09 00:19:32 ] Hung Odonkey > some but maybe not as much as you think
[ 2004.08.09 00:19:38 ] Hung Odonkey > will fill you in later
[ 2004.08.09 00:19:49 ] jumbojohnny > if we wanted to get it in considerable amounts
[ 2004.08.09 00:20:11 ] Ibeau Renoir > you only need one lot of protection per belt and any number of miners in that belt
[ 2004.08.09 00:20:17 ] Hung Odonkey > still our fighter corp is readily available for protection
[ 2004.08.09 00:20:49 ] Hung Odonkey > but i have some other ideas too
[ 2004.08.09 00:20:57 ] jumbojohnny > i want to help the alliance but i dont really want my corp to become the noob corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:03 ] jumbojohnny > isnt that understandable
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:13 ] Ibeau Renoir > no one said it has to be your corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:15 ] Hung Odonkey > yea and neither do i
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:21 ] ScoRpS > i dont see wat other use it has
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:37 ] Hung Odonkey > but we can certainly help in that area
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:45 ] jumbojohnny > ok, well scorps was suggesting it
[ 2004.08.09 00:21:58 ] ScoRpS > wat ur basically sayin is we can do it better and want to try
[ 2004.08.09 00:22:08 ] jumbojohnny > i think the corps in the alliance should be close but still maintain some sort of corp identity
[ 2004.08.09 00:22:10 ] ScoRpS > well good luck
[ 2004.08.09 00:22:10 ] Hung Odonkey > yeah
[ 2004.08.09 00:22:14 ] jumbojohnny > ok, then
[ 2004.08.09 00:22:50 ] jumbojohnny > what is first action we take
[ 2004.08.09 00:23:03 ] ScoRpS > lose the tcwa tikker
[ 2004.08.09 00:23:15 ] Ibeau Renoir > /emote points out that moo has an academy that no one is at war with
[ 2004.08.09 00:23:46 ] ScoRpS > ur not actually helpin just gently drawing away
[ 2004.08.09 00:23:46 ] jumbojohnny > dont kno how to change it scorps
[ 2004.08.09 00:24:08 ] ScoRpS > and pointing fingures while u do
[ 2004.08.09 00:24:24 ] jumbojohnny > hmm
[ 2004.08.09 00:24:58 ] ScoRpS > just do wat ur doin but be honest about it we seen it all b4
[ 2004.08.09 00:25:18 ] jumbojohnny > what do you think my goal is
[ 2004.08.09 00:25:25 ] ScoRpS > no idea
[ 2004.08.09 00:25:44 ] ScoRpS > thing is how will it affect me?
[ 2004.08.09 00:25:49 ] ScoRpS > it wont
[ 2004.08.09 00:26:18 ] ScoRpS > we have plans also just sorry u will not take part
[ 2004.08.09 00:26:59 ] <- jumbojohnny has left the channel
[ 2004.08.09 00:27:13 ] ScoRpS > infact to be really honest until u go through right channels u should also vacate this channel
[ 2004.08.09 00:27:23 ] ScoRpS > hung?
[ 2004.08.09 00:27:30 ] Hung Odonkey > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:27:56 ] ScoRpS > speak to pk about wat u can do to help and be a real part of tcwa
[ 2004.08.09 00:28:04 ] Ibeau Renoir > to my knowledge only TCW, SER and CanAm are officially recognised by TCWA
[ 2004.08.09 00:28:46 ] -> jumbojohnny has joined the channel
[ 2004.08.09 00:28:46 ] ScoRpS > please leave this channel until then
[ 2004.08.09 00:28:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > they are certainly the only corps that have been explicitly accepted by First Admiral PK
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:09 ] jumbojohnny > sry, i baby on keyboard
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:18 ] jumbojohnny > missed alot of that
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:20 ] Hung Odonkey > if thats how you all feel i certainly can not contest it 
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:35 ] jumbojohnny > what did hes= say
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:43 ] jumbojohnny > he8
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:47 ] jumbojohnny > he*
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:57 ] ScoRpS > sure put the shoe on the other foot
[ 2004.08.09 00:29:57 ] <- Hung Odonkey has left the channel
[ 2004.08.09 00:30:10 ] ScoRpS > jj i asked hung to leave
[ 2004.08.09 00:30:19 ] jumbojohnny > why
[ 2004.08.09 00:30:21 ] ScoRpS > appreciate it if u do also
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:04 ] jumbojohnny > we have had plans to help alliance for a week now and just decide now that you are going to change our corp?
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:09 ] jumbojohnny > you still dont have goals
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:17 ] jumbojohnny > we were going to produce for everyone
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:19 ] jumbojohnny > buy bpo's
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:22 ] jumbojohnny > research them
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:24 ] jumbojohnny > for you!
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:27 ] ScoRpS > thats our business now
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:27 ] Ibeau Renoir > I certainly think it is a very bad idea, in fact downright arrogant, to assume any new corps formed even by long standing members will be accepted as part of TCWA automatically
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:28 ] jumbojohnny > but ok then
[ 2004.08.09 00:31:36 ] ScoRpS > wat u didnt know will not hurt u
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:03 ] Ibeau Renoir > Rod and BJ are accumulating BPOs
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:03 ] jumbojohnny > pk told me it would
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:10 ] jumbojohnny > i mailed hm
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:19 ] Ibeau Renoir > Rod in particular is asking everybody what BPOs they have
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:19 ] jumbojohnny > as am i
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:31 ] ScoRpS > i saw pk tonight but he never mentioned nothing
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > so he can work out what BPOs we need to try to get
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:50 ] jumbojohnny > isent rod mail
[ 2004.08.09 00:32:57 ] jumbojohnny > telling him everey bpo i had
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:01 ] ScoRpS > jj wat u guys did without talkin to anyone was bad
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:01 ] jumbojohnny > i have mor ethe bolth of them
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:13 ] jumbojohnny > we did
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:16 ] jumbojohnny > long covo with FS
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:20 ] jumbojohnny > and others who wer eon
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:23 ] jumbojohnny > including rod
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:27 ] ScoRpS > he said waat?
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:36 ] Ibeau Renoir > I wouldn't consider that a consultation
[ 2004.08.09 00:33:59 ] Ibeau Renoir > you need to make an announcement to the entire alliance when you do something as major as creatin a new corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:34:05 ] jumbojohnny > they wouldnt do anything even when rod and me bolth said what was good
[ 2004.08.09 00:34:10 ] Ibeau Renoir > and consult everyone in it, not just in your own corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:34:50 ] ScoRpS > i have been on alot over past week and seen u guys several times without mention of anything
[ 2004.08.09 00:34:53 ] Ibeau Renoir > I have been sorely tempted to split off my own corp to tell you the truth
[ 2004.08.09 00:34:55 ] Ibeau Renoir > but I haven't
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:06 ] ScoRpS > ditto
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:11 ] Ibeau Renoir > because it would destabilise the alliance
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:23 ] ScoRpS > it just seems very selfish jj
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:31 ] jumbojohnny > hmm scorps
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:39 ] jumbojohnny > well i asked and i asked
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:41 ] jumbojohnny > try and do this
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:44 ] jumbojohnny > we arnt organized
[ 2004.08.09 00:35:46 ] jumbojohnny > try that
[ 2004.08.09 00:36:09 ] jumbojohnny > but no one did anything so i ASKED if i could start my own corp to change some stuff, i said i still was loyal to alliance
[ 2004.08.09 00:36:20 ] jumbojohnny > they wernt thrilled but they didnt say no
[ 2004.08.09 00:36:23 ] ScoRpS > yea yea heard it all b4, truth is if u wanna do somthing u can organise it, we are not sheep
[ 2004.08.09 00:36:27 ] jumbojohnny > i told them my plans
[ 2004.08.09 00:36:51 ] ScoRpS > mining op, need protection? just ask
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:00 ] ScoRpS > hung has never asked
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:10 ] jumbojohnny > we dont need protection
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:19 ] ScoRpS > easier to set up another corp then talk it seems
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:19 ] jumbojohnny > we were just gonna mine with drones
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:22 ] Ibeau Renoir > hung has been asked by pk many times to help with mining, but never vice versa that I can remember
[ 2004.08.09 00:37:24 ] jumbojohnny > make ammo and pass it out to start
[ 2004.08.09 00:38:15 ] jumbojohnny > ok, well my only goal through this whole thing was to help and take action where others wernt
[ 2004.08.09 00:38:23 ] jumbojohnny > but if you have different opinions of me
[ 2004.08.09 00:38:24 ] ScoRpS > good intentions perhaps but terrible execution
[ 2004.08.09 00:38:40 ] jumbojohnny > i havnt exectued anything yet scorps
[ 2004.08.09 00:38:53 ] ScoRpS > seperating urself is not a solution
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:14 ] Ibeau Renoir > what if everyone did that?
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:19 ] Ibeau Renoir > everyone in there own corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:33 ] Ibeau Renoir > 50 different 2-3 man corps in a tiny alliance
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:34 ] jumbojohnny > ib, its not like i just up and made one
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > that's not the point
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:58 ] jumbojohnny > rod and i were first people to say, lets all merge
[ 2004.08.09 00:39:59 ] ScoRpS > i for one will not leave tcw
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:05 ] jumbojohnny > or at least fix current corps
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:18 ] ScoRpS > perhaps a merge is good
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:19 ] Ibeau Renoir > if you want to merge, why create yet another?
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:19 ] jumbojohnny > i wont leave unless im kicked out, my only goal is to help
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:37 ] Ibeau Renoir > we need a constitution
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:38 ] jumbojohnny > no one would do it! no one would even organize ones we had
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:39 ] ScoRpS > i agree ibs
[ 2004.08.09 00:40:50 ] ScoRpS > totaly non-sensical
[ 2004.08.09 00:41:13 ] Ibeau Renoir > tbh that is the biggest reason I haven't split off
[ 2004.08.09 00:42:06 ] Ibeau Renoir > TCW is supposed to be a tight-knit alliance. for everyone who wants to do things their own way to create their own little microcorp just hampers that
[ 2004.08.09 00:42:28 ] ScoRpS > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:42:38 ] ScoRpS > couldnt have sid it better
[ 2004.08.09 00:42:49 ] Ibeau Renoir > this is the very reason I'm not convinced an alliance of small corps is a good idea
[ 2004.08.09 00:42:51 ] ScoRpS > i will say a merge is good
[ 2004.08.09 00:43:19 ] ScoRpS > merge
[ 2004.08.09 00:43:43 ] Ibeau Renoir > I would prefer 1 or at most 2 corps with a well defined control structure
[ 2004.08.09 00:43:52 ] jumbojohnny > ok, FS and leaders woud not take any advice that me and rod dished out, so i was going to show them what organization does. we are a bunvh of independents in a club
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:06 ] Ibeau Renoir > for which we need a constitution, not just unwritten rules that noone knows the details of
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > for there to be order, there must be law
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:49 ] jumbojohnny > ib, i tried explaining almost all this stuff except for consitution (thats unique) but they wouldnt do anything
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:51 ] Ibeau Renoir > that is my view
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:56 ] ScoRpS > wen did u guys dish out advice to fs and pk?
[ 2004.08.09 00:44:57 ] jumbojohnny > they would not
[ 2004.08.09 00:45:12 ] jumbojohnny > so i was just going to independently help corp as thats what we are doing anyways
[ 2004.08.09 00:45:18 ] jumbojohnny > pk wasnt there
[ 2004.08.09 00:45:25 ] jumbojohnny > but FS was and alot of other people
[ 2004.08.09 00:45:49 ] jumbojohnny > i wasnt going to leave, i was just going to wait for tcwa to have a wake upcall
[ 2004.08.09 00:46:04 ] ScoRpS > but u have left
[ 2004.08.09 00:46:37 ] jumbojohnny > no i havnt!
[ 2004.08.09 00:46:43 ] jumbojohnny > im still here, in alliance
[ 2004.08.09 00:46:47 ] ScoRpS > that doesnt show me u want to sort anything out
[ 2004.08.09 00:46:55 ] jumbojohnny > and i was just gonna make supplies until everything was better
[ 2004.08.09 00:47:06 ] ScoRpS > just that u can do something for urself
[ 2004.08.09 00:47:29 ] ScoRpS > we have alot at our disposal
[ 2004.08.09 00:47:30 ] jumbojohnny > what are you to do if you are only one who will do it then?
[ 2004.08.09 00:47:38 ] jumbojohnny > yes, and they wouldnt use any of it
[ 2004.08.09 00:47:55 ] jumbojohnny > if i saw something better then my corp right now i would do it, but i dont
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:02 ] Ibeau Renoir > I am not aware of any stockpiles of ammo etc scorps
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:07 ] jumbojohnny > alls i see is some independent mining and
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:13 ] Ibeau Renoir > if they exist I haven't been told about them
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:44 ] jumbojohnny > i have to have a corp first dot i ib?
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:46 ] jumbojohnny > dont*
[ 2004.08.09 00:48:49 ] jumbojohnny > a group maybe
[ 2004.08.09 00:49:03 ] ScoRpS > hung is big on solo mining and slow for corp mining so hearing him say unorganised hurt a bit
[ 2004.08.09 00:49:38 ] ScoRpS > u havent experienced the minin ops we have done so i can understand that
[ 2004.08.09 00:49:44 ] jumbojohnny > really? when was the last time you had a corp mining group with more then 3 people
[ 2004.08.09 00:49:45 ] Ibeau Renoir > solo mining in anything under 0.4 or maybe 0.3 is just not viable
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[ 2004.08.09 00:49:52 ] jumbojohnny > i was there at a couple
[ 2004.08.09 00:49:57 ] jumbojohnny > then half of you moved to 00
[ 2004.08.09 00:50:37 ] ScoRpS > yea true it had deterioted by then
[ 2004.08.09 00:50:55 ] jumbojohnny > so he has had no other choice
[ 2004.08.09 00:51:02 ] ScoRpS > some left game some lefy corp
[ 2004.08.09 00:51:05 ] jumbojohnny > those of you who are in 00 have left empire people in the dark almost
[ 2004.08.09 00:51:24 ] ScoRpS > never considered it like that
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[ 2004.08.09 00:51:36 ] jumbojohnny > he is staying to help you out still just finding a way to make more money in empire for now
[ 2004.08.09 00:51:49 ] ScoRpS > i went to help the only corp member raking in serious isk
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:04 ] jumbojohnny > ph?
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:09 ] ScoRpS > yea
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:18 ] Crzycnck2 > is this a new channel?
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:23 ] jumbojohnny > yea
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:26 ] ScoRpS > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:27 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes crzy, read the email I sent you
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:33 ] ScoRpS > i like this channel
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:35 ] jumbojohnny > we are in the middle of an intense argument, shhhhh!!
[ 2004.08.09 00:52:47 ] jumbojohnny > lol
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:14 ] jumbojohnny > and to tell truth scorps, SER i bet will be a part of tcw soon
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:34 ] jumbojohnny > they have no organization, just noobs, everyone else in 00 so they might as well be with you guys
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:39 ] jumbojohnny > and what will daredevil do
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:39 ] ScoRpS > fs infact was once upon a time
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:44 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:53:56 ] Ibeau Renoir > as I remember he, pk and I were the first 3 members of tcw
[ 2004.08.09 00:54:21 ] ScoRpS > yup
[ 2004.08.09 00:54:27 ] jumbojohnny > interesting bit of history
[ 2004.08.09 00:54:28 ] Ibeau Renoir > clothos soon after that
[ 2004.08.09 00:54:43 ] Ibeau Renoir > I still don't know why FS split off
[ 2004.08.09 00:54:59 ] jumbojohnny > he didnt even found SER ib
[ 2004.08.09 00:55:05 ] jumbojohnny > so it wouldnt make any sense
[ 2004.08.09 00:55:06 ] Ibeau Renoir > eh?
[ 2004.08.09 00:55:07 ] ScoRpS > fs wanted his own corp from day one
[ 2004.08.09 00:55:16 ] Ibeau Renoir > ah
[ 2004.08.09 00:55:29 ] jumbojohnny > hey, now that we arnt so mad at each other and just having a good bit of debate can hung come back in?
[ 2004.08.09 00:56:02 ] Ibeau Renoir > I don't see why not tbh, he is informally a tcwa member
[ 2004.08.09 00:56:16 ] Ibeau Renoir > you should have left at the same time, but I don't want you to atm
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[ 2004.08.09 00:56:37 ] ScoRpS > hung
[ 2004.08.09 00:56:41 ] Hung Odonkey > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:56:45 ] jumbojohnny > i didnt understand that last part ib
[ 2004.08.09 00:56:45 ] ScoRpS > sorry
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:03 ] Hung Odonkey > its alright you were upset and i understand why
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:10 ] Hung Odonkey > no harm no foul
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:13 ] jumbojohnny > scorps, i havnt been playing as long and i kno some people have goten screwed pretty bad in this game
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:14 ] ScoRpS > cool
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:15 ] Ibeau Renoir > the reason hung left is the same you should - you're not officially part of TCWA
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:16 ] jumbojohnny > so i would be mad too
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:35 ] ScoRpS > we need to talk tho
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:42 ] Hung Odonkey > of coures
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:42 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:45 ] jumbojohnny > true, but pk said i would most likely be part of tcwa
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:47 ] ScoRpS > new possibilities
[ 2004.08.09 00:57:54 ] jumbojohnny > he just had to have the offical senate thing
[ 2004.08.09 00:58:10 ] jumbojohnny > ive got a statement that we could debate
[ 2004.08.09 00:58:23 ] Hung Odonkey > one moment jj if you would
[ 2004.08.09 00:58:33 ] jumbojohnny > yes sir
[ 2004.08.09 00:59:05 ] Hung Odonkey > jj and i did this really to make one point, we're not satisfied with how things are going and we want a change
[ 2004.08.09 00:59:24 ] Hung Odonkey > not to hurt everybody but to try and help
[ 2004.08.09 00:59:49 ] jumbojohnny > its back what i said when hung wasnt here
[ 2004.08.09 00:59:57 ] ScoRpS > how best can u help?
[ 2004.08.09 01:00:04 ] jumbojohnny > we people that are stuck in empire for a hilw need a way to make isk
[ 2004.08.09 01:00:07 ] ScoRpS > from where u are now
[ 2004.08.09 01:00:26 ] Hung Odonkey > to try to get us working together agian instead of apart
[ 2004.08.09 01:00:33 ] jumbojohnny > and i have more bpo's then rod and clothos and just got a lab so i planned on producing for alliance
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:05 ] jumbojohnny > ammo is expensive if you are using thousands a day and if we are mining all da and have bpo
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:11 ] jumbojohnny > we were going to give it away
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:14 ] Hung Odonkey > really i am open to all suggestions i just did this because nobody else seemed to be working on any good ideas
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:19 ] jumbojohnny > like ib, you need projectile ammo
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:26 ] jumbojohnny > we buy the large bpo's
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:43 ] ScoRpS > man this is very hard
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:44 ] jumbojohnny > take a couple hours and mine
[ 2004.08.09 01:01:50 ] Hung Odonkey > hold on jj i think we're getting too detailed here
[ 2004.08.09 01:02:04 ] jumbojohnny > these are just examples
[ 2004.08.09 01:02:06 ] jumbojohnny > sry
[ 2004.08.09 01:02:11 ] Hung Odonkey > lets focus on this because it is an issue
[ 2004.08.09 01:02:28 ] jumbojohnny > scorps, i think we may all be mad because we have to do this in baby steps and no one wants it to go that slow
[ 2004.08.09 01:02:57 ] ScoRpS > thats probably very true
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:03 ] Hung Odonkey > what i want to see is solid leadership and i will follow but i need to feel like i can help to make that  difference
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:27 ] Hung Odonkey > i don't want to be on the sidelines all the time and thats where i feel i am right now
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:31 ] jumbojohnny > we may only be able to make ammo for a while because we are small, but then we may be able to get bs mins in 2weeks or less after we have grown
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:35 ] jumbojohnny > but it all takes time
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:42 ] ScoRpS > so i will back ibs and rod becoming acting ceo's
[ 2004.08.09 01:03:51 ] ScoRpS > if pk can sort it out
[ 2004.08.09 01:04:08 ] jumbojohnny > but we can still have this corp right?
[ 2004.08.09 01:04:26 ] Ibeau Renoir > we should consolidate
[ 2004.08.09 01:04:28 ] Hung Odonkey > it might not be a bad idea to have an "extra" corp around
[ 2004.08.09 01:04:36 ] jumbojohnny > maybe we should have benz merge, just make it llok appealing to him, because ive never seen any of his members in ehre
[ 2004.08.09 01:04:53 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:03 ] Hung Odonkey > we need to review where everybody is before we do any hacking and slashing
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:07 ] Ibeau Renoir > her corp has 11 members and she's the only one I know of
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:08 ] jumbojohnny > yea
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:26 ] jumbojohnny > i have 1 member but i can invite him in here right now
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:28 ] jumbojohnny > i wont
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:35 ] jumbojohnny > becuase he would just get confused....
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:37 ] Ibeau Renoir > we should call a freeze on recruitment and do a census
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:50 ] Hung Odonkey > yes and no
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:50 ] jumbojohnny > thats a good idea ib
[ 2004.08.09 01:05:55 ] jumbojohnny > and then do some merges
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:01 ] ScoRpS > who would collect and process data?
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:10 ] jumbojohnny > rof of course
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:14 ] jumbojohnny > rod*
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:15 ] Ibeau Renoir > CEOs, then pass to me or rod
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:19 ] jumbojohnny > lol
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:27 ] ScoRpS > yea the mathsmatician :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:33 ] Ibeau Renoir > maybe both
[ 2004.08.09 01:06:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > restructuring officers :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:03 ] jumbojohnny > well i will cooperate so you guys like me again, lol
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:10 ] Ibeau Renoir > :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:23 ] Hung Odonkey > you all know where i stand
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:27 ] jumbojohnny > i just dont want to get rid of my corp because a) i like it
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:34 ] jumbojohnny > and b) i put all of my isk into it
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:40 ] ScoRpS > every one involved has to get wat makes them happy out of it
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:55 ] Ibeau Renoir > well I have to thank you two for bringing these problems to our attention
[ 2004.08.09 01:07:58 ] jumbojohnny > yea, deep down, this is still a game
[ 2004.08.09 01:08:03 ] Ibeau Renoir > which tbh I wasn't really aware of before
[ 2004.08.09 01:08:06 ] jumbojohnny > that we pay way too much for i might add
[ 2004.08.09 01:08:14 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes scorps, that is really the whole point
[ 2004.08.09 01:08:14 ] jumbojohnny > so lets make some fun
[ 2004.08.09 01:08:18 ] Hung Odonkey > lol
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[ 2004.08.09 01:09:03 ] jumbojohnny > let me get one thing straight
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:03 ] Crimson Starr > hello
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:21 ] Ibeau Renoir > hello CS
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:33 ] ScoRpS > hi there
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:35 ] jumbojohnny > the corps in here are crzy's, tcw, SER, benz's, and unoficcialy mine
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:42 ] jumbojohnny > any corps im missing?
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:46 ] Hung Odonkey > guys its been fun but i need to go 
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:48 ] Ibeau Renoir > well unofficially benz's too
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:55 ] Ibeau Renoir > unofficially Noi Srl
[ 2004.08.09 01:09:59 ] Hung Odonkey > got some stuff to do before bedtime and all
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:04 ] Hung Odonkey > so later
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:09 ] jumbojohnny > bye
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:16 ] Ibeau Renoir > ok
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[ 2004.08.09 01:10:24 ] jumbojohnny > ib, heres an idea
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:30 ] jumbojohnny > go through the bosses with it
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:38 ] Ibeau Renoir > tomorrow I will read through this chatlog again and summarise it
[ 2004.08.09 01:10:47 ] Ibeau Renoir > then put the summary up on my forum
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:14 ] jumbojohnny > SER has like 34/38 platers inactive. so get rid of inactive ones and merge benz's into SER so they have fresj blood
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:17 ] jumbojohnny > fresh*
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:22 ] Ibeau Renoir > then will send out evemails for CEOs to forward so people know where my forum is and can read it through
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:35 ] Ibeau Renoir > yes, that is the reason for the census
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:38 ] jumbojohnny > it should keep benz happy and save SER
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:44 ] jumbojohnny > ok
[ 2004.08.09 01:11:49 ] jumbojohnny > send me that eve mail will you
[ 2004.08.09 01:12:05 ] Ibeau Renoir > all members to be sent an evemail to which they must reply within 14 days or be kicked from the corp
[ 2004.08.09 01:12:15 ] Ibeau Renoir > or rather, not be considered in the restructuring plans
[ 2004.08.09 01:12:32 ] jumbojohnny > ib, am i allowed to invite corp mates in here or shall i wait until i am officially tcwa
[ 2004.08.09 01:12:35 ] Ibeau Renoir > (which sounds a lot more sinister to me ;)
[ 2004.08.09 01:13:07 ] Ibeau Renoir > for the time being I will recognise UWS, Noi Srl and your corp as TCWA members
[ 2004.08.09 01:13:43 ] jumbojohnny > ok, thanks
[ 2004.08.09 01:13:43 ] Ibeau Renoir > there may be a place in TCWA in the future for any or all of these corps, but time will tell
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[ 2004.08.09 01:14:32 ] jumbojohnny > ok, i still would suggest benz, SER mixture
[ 2004.08.09 01:14:46 ] Ibeau Renoir > I will deal with this tomorrow
[ 2004.08.09 01:14:54 ] jumbojohnny > because if you do that restructure thing i can only think of 3 maybe 4 people left in SER
[ 2004.08.09 01:14:55 ] Ibeau Renoir > for now it's really too late do be doing anything
[ 2004.08.09 01:14:56 ] jumbojohnny > ok
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:05 ] jumbojohnny > yea, good point
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:18 ] Ibeau Renoir > hello paspartout btw :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:23 ] jumbojohnny > paspartout, these will be your friends from now on
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:26 ] ScoRpS > i am just waking up :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:32 ] paspartout > hello :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:32 ] Ibeau Renoir > heh :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:44 ] ScoRpS > hi
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:50 ] jumbojohnny > ask questions, everyone is nice
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:56 ] paspartout > ok thanks
[ 2004.08.09 01:15:59 ] jumbojohnny > except scorps, he likes to freak out
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:04 ] jumbojohnny > :-)
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:12 ] paspartout > we all have our moments
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:14 ] ScoRpS > only late at night
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:26 ] paspartout > lol
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:27 ] Ibeau Renoir > good to see humour seeping in after all that deep and serious debate :)
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:29 ] jumbojohnny > and on full moons right
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:42 ] jumbojohnny > oh yes
[ 2004.08.09 01:16:48 ] Ibeau Renoir > that's a good sign
[ 2004.08.09 01:17:00 ] ScoRpS > it is
[ 2004.08.09 01:17:06 ] Ibeau Renoir > I have a lot of hope for the future of TCWA
[ 2004.08.09 01:17:18 ] jumbojohnny > of course, i one of those who will make a joke in the heat of a fight with a CA owned bs
[ 2004.08.09 01:17:18 ] Ibeau Renoir > and on that note, I will retire to bed :)